Curse

Arnold Killmachine · Apr 26, 2011, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Rank means experience as long as it was gained legit.
High rank doesn't equal skill, so as low rank doesn't mean someone is bad.
Yet, its much easier to find a good player among ex. rank nine than among nonranks.
This is so obvious that I shouldn't even be telling this to someone leading a top notch guild.

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Originally Posted by floor

Also the game is 6 years old lol, inventing a new build at this stage is practically impossible unless its immediately after a big skill update. By now all builds have been tried and tested, the best ones became meta and went on wiki, inventing a new build which is actually worse than the meta ones dont make you big or clever, u just gimp urself and ur team mates.

Just by reading this I became more stupid.
It's silly, and has completely no sense.

At least half of GW skills are useless in pvp, but you still got much choice of making builds being able to win much.

Meta builds became favored because they are HARDEST to outbuild/outplay, yet it is still POSSIBLE to do so don't gimme this crap about every build being inferior to meta because it was already played before.

pingu666 · Apr 26, 2011, 01:53 PM // 13:53

if people are lazy to make builds with a limited skillset, why not impose a skillset on them?

floor · Apr 26, 2011, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Arnold Killmachine

Rank means experience as long as it was gained legit.
High rank doesn't equal skill, so as low rank doesn't mean someone is bad.
Yet, its much easier to find a good player among ex. rank nine than among nonranks.
This is so obvious that I shouldn't even be telling this to someone leading a top notch guild.

Just by reading this I became more stupid.
It's silly, and has completely no sense.

At least half of GW skills are useless in pvp, but you still got much choice of making builds being able to win much.

Meta builds became favored because they are HARDEST to outbuild/outplay, yet it is still POSSIBLE to do so don't gimme this crap about every build being inferior to meta because it was already played before.

It might not have occurred to you, but if u face opposition at a good level (ie top 100) and you are running some inferior build that u just invented, you will not win. ever.

If u run some new build which isnt very good and you beat some rank 500 guild, congratulations you won. Im sure you won because ur opposition were absolutely terrible and it had nothing to do with ur build. In order to achieve anything you have to run the best builds.

This can be proved by the fact that over the last 2 years if not more the only 'new' builds that have been invented as such have been:

Dervish bars - as a result of a skill update
Seeping wound sins - as a result of a skill update
a few variations of flaggers - as a result of skill updates

Thats pretty much it...
Every other bar has been tried and tested a long time ago, it might change slightly as updates come and go, but you simply cannot make a new bar which is as effective as anything already made. How many people try to do it? thousands i expect, how many successful new bars are made which can compete at a top level? practically nil.

If you still dont agree, get 7 of ur friends together and i'll get 7 of mine, u guys can invent some new bars and we'll run meta, see who wins.

As regards to making new builds in order to slay NPC's in pve, i am entirely clueless but im sure its possible. I merely think that at a competitive level in guild wars, you wont make new bars which are effective that have not been seen before.

And ur first statement is obviously right, you are more likely to find rank 9's with a brain, than rank 2's who know what they are doing. I merely find it incredibly frustrating that people still rely on titles as any indication of skill whatsoever. You have absolutely no way of knowing if he farmed it legit, blood spiked it, or even bought his account on ebay, who knows. 75% of the people in HA with rank 9-10 have massive ego's and nothing to back it up, they are absolutely useless in most cases.

T RAND · Apr 26, 2011, 05:08 PM // 17:08

The cheaters have control of PvP. Now they don't have enough people of whom they can take advantage? Too bad.

Missing HB · Apr 26, 2011, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by T RAND

The cheaters have control of PvP. Now they don't have enough people of whom they can take advantage? Too bad.

That's the opposite . People want to have more or different opponents than " so called cheaters " ( i guess you mean GvG smurfs , CA syncers , HA deadhour abusers )in order to have fun in the format or to even be able to play it ...

StormX · Apr 27, 2011, 09:28 AM // 09:28

Yes, people is lazy. Why walk to work when you can take the bus? Why take the bus when you can drive? You're not going to change human nature overnight. That's why the appeal of organized pvp formats like GvG/HA/codex will always be limited. Why would i go to HA and waste time LFG ("SHOW RANK" "i dont have one". *kick*), when I can go to JQ/FA/RA and almost instantly get a game? Prestige? I don't think the amount of aggravation is worth it. I just want to play and I just want to have fun. end story.

Arnold Killmachine · Apr 27, 2011, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Why? Because some people fancy organized pvp (GvG/HA/CA), which is pvp in opposite to JQ/FA/RA.
If you don't want to be kicked out of HA, get your rank.
In order to get rank, form teams yourself.
Unfortunately, lazy people achieve nothing and its not human nature, its a bad attitude.
Lazybutts waste their time crying about having nothing, instead of doing something to actually get it.

The better players are, the less it takes to form a team, end of the story.

@floor
I never said that the build have to be unique.
Builds that used to work and fell out of meta are still playable, and may counter current favored builds pretty well.
Look at the few of the latest mAT finals, most of them were won by an unorthodox build, which countered the most popular meta build.
I don't really understand why you keep saying that meta doesn't change unless theres a skill balance, or no build can't successfully play against the most common build at the moment.

And I have to refuse to a scrim invitation, because I'm not interested in cockfights.

StormX · Apr 27, 2011, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Yes, because attempting to form a team when you yourself have little prior knowledge or experience is an expedient use of your time. Good one. I'd say more but this horse has been beaten to death many times over.

You see, I don't want, need, or consider it important to acquire a HA rank. I'm simply stating why these formats are not popular. Those "some people" you refer to are presumably a small but vocal minority. The average joe GW player doesn't know jack about HA/GvG. And it's those average joes you're going to need to appeal to if you want to have someone to play against instead of yourself. To do this you can either A)rehaul the format, B)teach noobs like what some guilds have done, or C)blame the community for being stupid and lazy because I'm sure thats going to achieve so much.

And thats all im going to say because I don't really give a crap if HA stays dead...elitists and douchebags can continue playing with themselves for whatever satisfaction that gives them

Arnold Killmachine · Apr 27, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

HA is dead, and let it be. Its not like I care anymore.
The thing is... that even those douches, and those who retried already... had the same start as everyone.
I failed too many times trying to teach people how to HA, maybe one per ten improved his skill. People seek easy fame farming, not ability to play better.
I will blame community for being stupid and lazy because its true, whether it changes anything or not.
If average Joe wanted to improve, he would have browsed websites, observed some matches and then asked anyone around for help having a basic knowledge, but all they do is shout 'kindle arrows ranger lfg' and then quit because of rank discrimination.
Sorry, but I prefer HA full of douches than HA full of morons.
(No offense meant, just theorycrafting)

Missing HB · Apr 27, 2011, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Arnold Killmachine

I failed too many times trying to teach people how to HA, maybe one per ten improved his skill. People seek easy fame farming, not ability to play better

This is totally right.. In fact , people did play for fun or even for hall items long time ago, but today it's only purely for fame points or quest farming... That's due to updates though , leading to very easy game , very easy farms in PvE and you can't blame people for being lazy since the game , for PvE and PvP more and more , makes you lazy....

Anyway , the point of the thread is codex arena , that's not at all the same than HA.. You can't use elitist or w/e term there since there is noone to fight anyway.....

Arnold Killmachine · Apr 27, 2011, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I'll try to make a guide, how to make a codex teambuild in fast and efficient way.
Not sure if there is one already, or if its gonna help at all but I can give it a try.

UnicornStampede · Apr 30, 2011, 10:27 PM // 22:27

I kinda wish they brought back Hero Battles and Team Arenas just to remember how much fun they were and how boring it is now.

Missing HB · May 01, 2011, 08:21 AM // 08:21

HB tournaments especially , to bring back some competitiveness accessible by everyone....

UnicornStampede · May 01, 2011, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

HB tournaments especially , to bring back some competitiveness accessible by everyone....

They are wanting to revive PvP, by making guru tournies/etc, however they still haven't removed the failure of Codex Arena and brought back hero battles/team arenas.

FoxBat · May 01, 2011, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

They are wanting to revive PvP, by making guru tournies/etc, however they still haven't removed the failure of Codex Arena and brought back hero battles/team arenas.

Replacing fail with fail is a zero sum enterprise. The effort involved in reverting it is no better advised than changing it in the first place.

urania · May 01, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

replacing more fail with less fail, you mean.

UnicornStampede · May 01, 2011, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by urania

replacing more fail with less fail, you mean.

Hero Battles wasn't "less fail". All they needed to do was some balance changes and updating hero pathing and behavior. However when any of the top HB'ers told Anet how to make Hero Battles better, Anet stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed lalala, to an extent where the mat hb finals were composed of joke builds and resigners. Which looked extremely bad on Anet, so they just removed Hero Battles from the game.

And even with Hero Battles flaws, it was still fun.

Elnino · May 02, 2011, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

HB tournaments especially , to bring back some competitiveness accessible by everyone....

HB tourneys <3. Of all the competitive PvP formats, HB was definately the most accessible to the casual player.

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Replacing fail with fail is a zero sum enterprise

HB and TA were not failures. Codex Arena has failed more horribly than any other aspect of this game.

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

Hero Battles wasn't "less fail". All they needed to do was some balance changes and updating hero pathing and behavior. However when any of the top HB'ers told Anet how to make Hero Battles better, Anet stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed lalala, to an extent where the mat hb finals were composed of joke builds and resigners. Which looked extremely bad on Anet, so they just removed Hero Battles from the game.

And even with Hero Battles flaws, it was still fun.

Correct. They showed complete disrespect to the players after giving us their word that HB would receive the love it deserved.

urania · May 02, 2011, 09:35 AM // 09:35

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

Hero Battles wasn't "less fail". All they needed to do was some balance changes and updating hero pathing and behavior. However when any of the top HB'ers told Anet how to make Hero Battles better, Anet stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed lalala, to an extent where the mat hb finals were composed of joke builds and resigners. Which looked extremely bad on Anet, so they just removed Hero Battles from the game.

And even with Hero Battles flaws, it was still fun.

they needed to do even less for TA. much easier to fix than hero AI.

Missing HB · May 02, 2011, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by UnicornStampede

Anet stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed lalala,

Haha , nice one... Anyway , i gotta agree with urania that TA would have required very little amount of time to fix instead of HB , since it only concerned " killing " and not capping too nor heroes to deal with ,and i don't really know why they didn't care at all of it ...

On a side note , i can't really imagine HB coming back with terrible metas and other stuff there are out (those dervishs with flux effects , boom boom headshot heroes), but thing is that i don't believe TA( even HB) would have many players aswell if they came back instead of codex the way they are...

out of topic : is it me or GvG mat finals isn't appearing on observer ??